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TANGLED UP IN BLUE

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In the song, "Tangled up in Blue," Bob Dylan writes about how we all feel the same but from different points of view, even though we drift apart through the years, and listening to that song recently got me to thinking about words, how words count, how they're used, and how we don't use them.

For many years now, the Democratic Party faithful--me included--havebeen increasingly frustrated with the Dems' apparent inability to keepup with the Republican Noise Machine. 

Although there is nothing new in this--think McCarthyism, or even thevicious jokes that went around about FDR from the right wing who mostassuredly hated their own private traitor to his class--this flood ofpropaganda seemed to gain its real foothold in the 90's with the adventof talk radio and the ascent of Bill Clinton.

To this day, I have trouble understanding the utter insanity of theright-wing hatred directed toward the Clintons.  It was during thattime that I was researching a book, Ordeal,on the survivalist underground in the weeks and months leading up tothe Oklahoma City bombing, and what I saw and heard was so unhingedthat, at times, it literally made me sick to my stomach.  I worriedabout assassination attempts.  And I remember thinking that, in time,he would come to be regarded as a pretty damn good president, once alltheir hysterical racket died down.

I couldn't possibly have guessed, of course, that my own inept, dumbassgovernor would wind up taking his job, with such predictable results,that even the right wing would wind up speaking longingly of the daysof Clintonian balanced budgets, surpluses, and genocides stoppedwithout a single lost American life.  But I digress.

Now, here we are, back again with a Democratic president and morehysterical ranting and raving from the right, only NOW, we've got todeal with an ENTIRE NEWS NETWORK to act as a supposedly legitimatemegaphone for every nutcase conspiracy theory out there, attempting,yet again, to de-legitimize yet another Democratic president.  Theycan't bring this one down with any visible Achilles heel (sex scandal),so they're trying every other shit storm they can throw at him in thehopes that SOMETHING, ANYTHING will stick.

He's not a real American!  He's a Marxist!  A socialist!  A communist! No wait!  What other kind of IST is there?  Oh yeah!  An atheist!  No? A Muslimist???  SOMETHING BAD!

And, yet again, Dems are forced to play Defense in this endless game,responding to ridiculous charges which then, give those sameaccusations a certain credibility.

During the Long Hot Summer of Alice's Tea Party Madness, I reallydidn't think that most Americans would take it seriously.  Clearlythese people were crazy.  I mean honestly.

So imagine my surprise when Independents started LISTENING to them andthe Democratic Party numbers began to drop and Republican Party numbersstarted going up as ever-fickle Independents began to be frightened YETAGAIN by hysterical panic-attack ravings from the right.

If it's not terrorists or "Islamo-fascists" gonna getcha, it's the guv'ment.

So I started my usual shouting at the TV news, to the Dems, that is:

IT'S THE MESSAGE, STUPID!

I was sick and tired of our losing the message wars to the nutcases.

Then we started losing races we shouldn't lose, and then I started reading more and more articles about all the successes theObama administration was having, and I could not understand why I washaving to read this stuff in places that most people never see:  The Washington Post or the New York Times.

In other words, I wasn't seeing it on the network news, or the Sundaymorning talk shows.  I wasn't hearing it from Robert Gibbs, and Iwasn't seeing David Axelrod stammer it out when he was asked.  I didn'tsee Harry Reid whisper it over his receding stooped shoulder nor did Ihear Nancy Pelosi smilingly mention it to Jon Stewart.

WHAT THE HELL.

I was, instead, hearing all sorts of lunatic diarrhea of the mouth fromany Republican who could get near a microphone, and if they were REALcrazies, I'd see their rantings amplified by every news broadcast oronline political webcast in existence as it was repeated over and overand over again.

Over on the Blue side of the aisle, we didn't have any lunatic ranters.

We did have that Grayson guy down in Florida, God bless him, but everytime he spoke the truth, he wound up being forced to apologize bysomebody, and since he was a junior congressman, he didn't have enoughpunch to push it.

I watched the subtle ways in which the right-wing machine would shapethe dialogue of the mainstream media.  For example, Media Matterscatalogues how, when President Obama talked about letting the Bush taxcuts on the wealthiest 2% of Americans lapse--those making $250,000 ayear or more--the Right Wing Noise Machine started in about how, tosome people, that's not really all that much money...and how,gradually, some mainstream newscasters picked up that baton and ran with it. 

Well, I dunno about you guys, but if WE made $250,000 a year, WE'D be feelin' pretty rich.  But I digress.

Brian Beutler writes for Talking Points Memo that part of the problem is that Dems just aren't all that good at (a) LYING and then (b) KNOWINGLY SPREADING THE LIE:

Part of the problem, (Congressional expert Norm) Ornstein says, is that Democrats don't have a vast propaganda machine.

"When an issue emerges--how to pound away at it? You don't need to[conspire]...Republicans just kind of know how to do that," Ornsteinsays. "It becomes an echo chamber that once its out there for a bit,bleeds over to the rest of the press. If it doesn't, then thoseentities [Rush Limbaugh, etc.] pound away at the Times, the Post and the Sunday talk shows for ignoring a big story."

That echo chamber goes hand in glove with a separate advantageRepublicans have: a willingness that Democrats lack to tell hugewhoppers about their opponents.

"Republicans are wiling to take rhetoric that goes way beyondreality--continuing to talk about the health care plan as a governmenttakeover. It doesn't matter much if you can take the fact and say it'snot true." Once it's out there, it's out for good.


Fivethirtyeight.com's Nate Silver doesn't think things have to be that drastic. He says all the Dems need to do is start paying attention to a coupleof things, like, the fact that MOST Americans don't live in Washington,D.C, and live and breathe politics:

We've repeatedly highlighted Kaiser's health care polling,which revealed that only about half of the public knows about many ofthe key provisions that are in the Democrats' bill, such as coveragefor people with pre-existing conditions. Meanwhile, a Pew pollthis week found that only 26 percent of Americans know that it takes 60votes to overcome a Senate filibuster -- and only 32 percent know thatSenate GOPers voted unanimously against the Democrats' health careplan. And a Rasmussen pollof likely voters found that only 21 percent of them believe that theDemocrats have cut taxes for "95% of working families", a fact which isprobably true.

Idon't particularly blame the public for this. The number of politics"fans" probably numbers somewhere on the order of 10 or 20 million outof a country of 250 million adults. Most people have lives and havebetter things to do than to follow politics all the time. They payquite a bit of attention during Presidential elections and, I wouldargue, make reasonably sophisticated decisions. But outside of that,most people aren't watching MSNBC or Fox News every evening or loggingonto the Washington Post or FiveThirtyEight. They're developingimpressions based on limited information, often gleaned from partisannews sources and politicians who have an incentive to tell themanything but the truth.


He faults the Dems for allowing three long months to lapse whilethey--and their cable-TV supporters--fought bitterly amongst themselvesabout the public option, which hijacked the entire health care reformdebate and enabled the Republicans to sneak in and basically thieve theissue right out from under them, which has now imperiled the entirething, because what happened was that the vast majority of people don'tpay enough attention and were not aware that the term "government-runhealth care" was ITSELF a lie, and that the Dems didn't even explainTHAT, they didn't even highlight the term OPTION properly.  They letthe whole thing degenerate into a fight over details that could havebeen worked out later, frankly.  The public option was not the entirebill, but by making it seem as if it was, they lost the message war.

He stresses the importance of repetition.

He stresses the importance of repetition.

He stresses the importance of repetition: 

And all Democrats need to realize, meanwhile, thatsometimes the message isn't going to sink in until the sixth or seventhtime that you repeat it. Before Tuesday's State of the Union, forinstance, the White House had almost literally never mentioned that thestimulus contained a huge tax cut -- they shouldn't expect the publicto believe it any more than Warner Brothers should expect a ton ofpeople to go out and see their new movie if they only begin advertisingit 48 hours beforehand.

Rather, the Democrats need to figure out what their November messages are now and begin planting seeds for them now.You want to run on Republican obstructionism? Well then, don't neglectthe golden opportunities that the Republicans are providing you with today, such as when they voted unanimously in the Senate against re-imposing pay-go rules or unanimously in the House against a very centrist financial regulation package. How many people know that House Republicans voted 174-0against a jobs bill? It's probably not even 20 percent or 30 percent --more like 2 or 3 percent, at best. The DNC, DCCC, DSCC, and sympatheticgroups like unions should be blasting out advertisements whenever theRepublicans cast a vote like this.


He also mentions what I think should have beendone all along, which is more crowing needs to be done aboutsuccesses.  We all hated the strutting and arrogance and boasting ofthe Bush administration every damn time they crossed a T or dotted an iproperly, or just did their damn jobs without tripping over their owndumbass feet, but I'd like to see a lot more bragging from this WhiteHouse, and I think we're starting to.  Silver says:

But if it were me, I would err a little bit less on the side of caution in highlighting numbers like, for instance, the 5.7 percent GDP growth that the country experienced in the 4Q. It's not that I expect these messages to be winners now;rather, it's that you want to plant the seed with the public for thefall. Otherwise, it may feel like too little too late when theemployment numbers turn positive too, and the public may believe thatthe recovery occurred in spite of, not because of, the stimulus.


What he's saying is, it's all about framingfuture messages, not so much worrying about how it looks now, buttaking risks that things will improve enough in the future that you canride the wave of how they look now.  And if they look worse in thefuture...well, like Scarlett O'Hara, we'll worry about that tomorrow.

What Silver is saying about how most Americansreally don't pay enough attention to realize lies when they are hearingthem was brought crashingly home to me by another piece righthere at TPM, that, while it was based on a Republican poll taken forthe National Review--so you have to take it with a grain of salt--theresults basically say that even though most Americans know very littleabout the Tea Party movement, they like what they THINK the movement isabout.

It's kinda like thinkin' Sarah Palin would be a good president because she's "one of us."

It doesn't take a great deal of thought.  Andlet's face it--so many Americans don't put a whole lot of thought intocurrent events unless it's right up close to a big national election. This is how they get bamboozled and hornswoggled by the bait-and-switchartists of the world.

But something happened on the way to the State of the Union.

Just when I thought we were going down for the count, my Republican husband was right again.

(Psst--please don't tell him I said that.  He's just so insufferable when he hears it.)

In a previous post, AGGIE POLITICS, I wrote about how my husband, amoderate Republican but strong Obama supporter, told me that no matterhow bleak things may look at the moment for Dems, we should not give upon our President, because he's always pretty much been the smartest manin the room, and we should not count him out yet, and that, never fear,when it comes to Republicans, they always go too far.

He also said, "This Massachusetts loss may be the best thing thathappened to your party and Obama, because it will be a wake-up call. You can re-organize, re-group, come out with a new plan.  It mightactually be a good thing."

I thought about this a few days later, during the president's speech.

When I heard the State of the Union address, I heard a very, VERYsmart reach-out to Independent voters.  I heard a COMPLETE re-framingof the Democratic message.

I've seen a few op-ed writers who seem to have caught on to that butnone of them have come right out and said it, so I will, because Ispotted it immediately.  In fact, I shouted and fist-pumped when Iheard the paragraphs in question, simply because of the CHOICE OF WORDS.

See, I'm a writer by trade.  I make my living, such as it is, bylanguage.  And choice of words is CRUCIAL in just about everything inthis world.  It's crucial in diplomacy.  It's crucial in politics. It's crucial in, say, job-hunting or resume-writing.  It's crucial in,oh, say, marriage proposals.

Language matters.

And no one knows this better than this president, as he has proven time and time again.

Now, this past year, the language of governing has been robbed bythe Republicans.  They stole it pretty much during the campaign andthey continued the rhetoric throughout the Inauguration and all throughthe entire first year of Obama's presidency.  And he was just plainworking too damn hard to care, I think.

But the losses in Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts--combinedwith the threat of the loss of health care reform--gave him what myhusband had predicted would be a "wake-up call."

The White House had seen the same poll numbersthe rest of us saw--that we were losing Independents to theRepublicans.  And it wasn't "populist anger" that is the ongoingconservative-driven meme in the media.

It was the message.

So they reframed it.

Consider this passage:

From the day I took office, I've been told that addressing ourlarger challenges is too ambitious; such an effort would be toocontentious. I've been told that our political system is toogridlocked, and that we should just put things on hold for a while.

For those who make these claims, I have one simple question: Howlong should we wait? How long should America put its future on hold?

You see, Washington has been telling us to wait for decades, even asthe problems have grown worse. Meanwhile, China is not waiting torevamp its economy. Germany is not waiting. India is not waiting. Thesenations -- they're not standing still. These nations aren't playing forsecond place. They're putting more emphasis on math and science.They're rebuilding their infrastructure. They're making seriousinvestments in clean energy because they want those jobs. Well, I donot accept second place for the United States of America.

As hard as it may be, as uncomfortable and contentious as thedebates may become, it's time to get serious about fixing the problemsthat are hampering our growth.

COMPETITION.

This is Mom and apple pie to Americanseverywhere, and is just the kind of thing that appeals to Independentsand (closeted) moderate Republicans.  It's very Kennedyesque.

Here's another fist-pumper moment:

I know that there are those who disagree with the overwhelmingscientific evidence on climate change. But here's the thing -- even ifyou doubt the evidence, providing incentives for energy-efficiency andclean energy are the right thing to do for our future -– because thenation that leads the clean energy economy will be the nation thatleads the global economy. And America must be that nation

In that way, he framed it not as a question over the science, orover the environment, but over JOBS and over America as a LEADER in theworld--again, We're Number One rah-rah!

This is a re-framing of a message that moves the Dems away from AlGore and more toward whoever your favorite sports team is.  We want tobe winners.  And we want our economy to thrive.  If, in so doing, wecan also save the planet, hey, it's all good, right?

I'm not going to isolate every incidence, although there were many,because my blogposts are notoriously long anyway, but I encourage youto read the full transcripts--this is the copy I was working off of,from the New York Times. I prefer it over the Whitehouse.gov version because this is the one heactually presented, with applause and laughter typed in, and videoincluded.

Along with the subtle reframing of the White House message is also amore aggressive push-back against right-wing rhetoric.  I had noticedthat they'd been given such a free rein for so long that evencongresspeople and senators had taken to spouting the latest FAUX-newstalking-points as graven facts before the TV cameras without so much asa peep of protest, but those days are over.

Today, for example, Robert Gibbs AND Attorney General Eric Holder each presented point-by-point pushback memos againstcomments made by Republican Senator Susan Collins and House minorityleader Mitch McConnell about the White House response to the ChristmasDay bombing attempt.  They aggressively pointed out that the policiesthey followed were put in place by and followed by the Bushadministration--facts well-known by the Republican talking-heads.

It's still responding to lies, but I did see this on the eveningnetwork news, which means that even so-called "Joe (and Josephine)Sixpack" is getting the message that his handy Republican spokesperson spokeslied or at the very least, spokesforgot.

The reframing of message is deeper and clearer than most have picked up on, although E.J. Dionne, who interviewed Joe Biden today, got it loud and clear:

Biden, more self-aware than people give him credit for, realized whathe had just done. "I've sort of gotten off the Recovery Act," he saidwith a rueful smile.

Yet by the end of the interview, I realized he had bumped into thehidden political issue of the 2010 elections. Beneath the predictableback-and-forth between Obama and his Republican adversaries overgovernment spending lies a substantively important difference over howthe United States can maintain its global leadership.

For Republicans, American power is rooted largely in military mightand showing a tough and resolute face to the world. They would rely ontax cuts as the one and only spur to economic growth.

Obama, Biden and the Democrats, on the other hand, believe thatAmerican power depends ultimately on the American economy, and thatgovernment has an essential role to play in fostering the nextgeneration of growth.

Notice that when Obama spoke about keeping America in first place,he said not a word about the military. He referred instead to theefforts of our competitors in the public sphere of the economy, and of our past complacency.

"Washington has been telling us to wait for decades, even as theproblems have grown worse," Obama said. "Meanwhile, China is notwaiting to revamp its economy. Germany is not waiting. India is notwaiting. These nations aren't standing still. These nations aren'tplaying for second place. They're putting more emphasis on math andscience. They're rebuilding their infrastructure. They're makingserious investments in clean energy because they want those jobs."

Suddenly, Obama's approach is not about old-fashioned Democraticspending. It's about patriotism, competing successfully, investing tomaintain American economic leadership. John F. Kennedy provided aslogan for such an effort 50 years ago: "Let's get America movingagain."

(emphasis mine)

The purpose of the interview had been for Biden to point outinstances of the success of the stimulus program, but this turn oftopic turned out to show him to be crazy like, well, a FOX.

Biden's insistence on "pushing back" against unfounded criticisms ofthe program was clearly part of Obama's post-Scott Brown offensive, andit's bracing that the administration has finally seen the wisdom of aNapoleon axiom that is a favorite of Karl Rove's: "The whole art of warconsists in a well-reasoned and extremely circumspect defensive,followed by rapid and audacious attack."

Transforming a listless national argument about the stimulus andhealth care into a larger debate over how to maintain Americanpreeminence is both audacious and useful. Off-message, Biden found theright message.


Perhaps the Dems have been "tangled up in Blue" ever since, well,the days of what I call the Clinton Crucifixion, when the sheer galland power of the opposition's noise and nastiness overwhelmed them. They've been like that plastic clown punching-bag ever since, bouncingback with every blow.

But this president is different.  It's not that he's smarter thanPresident Clinton.  I'm not going to compare the two men, because theyhave different strengths as well as weaknesses.

But one difference that does seem to count right now is Obama'squickness in learning from, and adapting to, the opposition--outfoxingthem--if you will.

He has not given in to them.  He is still fighting for health carereform, clean energy legislation, education reform, and other things hebelieves in and campaigned on.

But what he has done is reframed the message in such a way thatmakes it much more appealing to the middle-earth voters, so to speak,those who were being frightened off by the scare tactics of the farright.

It's the same message.  Different words.

And he's presenting those words differently, in a fiestier fashion. What the surly commentators on FOX called "arrogant," most Americanstook as a fighting spirit, and by a margin of 83%, they liked it.

As Democrats, it is important that we not get so "tangled up in Blue" thatwe forget that, as Americans, most of us, as the song lyrics say, "feelthe same" about most things.  This is the beauty and the brilliance ofBarack Obama. 

He's not pretending this to get votes.  He isUNDERSTANDING this.

We want to take care of our families, find decent work we canhalfway enjoy, and have some sort of retirement with dignity.  When weget sick, we don't want to die because we couldn't afford medicalcare.  And, we care about our planet and our environment and don't wantit choked with pollution and grime.  We want a place for our childrento play safely.

We pretty much all feel this way.

The Blues feel as if the Reds tried it their way, for the most part,since Ronald Reagan was elected in 1980.  They had a pretty good run ofit, and from 1994 until 2006, they pretty much ran the country into theground.

Now it's the Blue's turn.

But we can't forget all those people out there who aren't payingthat much attention--at least not until they get screamed at orfrightened into it.  We have to take care not to fight so much amongstourselves that we forget all about them and they turn away from us. 

They're not "an illusion" to us now.  We have to concern ourselves with "what they're doing with their lives."

We have to talk to them.  Reach out to them.

Show them a better way.

 

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    • 2/6/2010 7:23 AM Jody wrote:
      Right again, Deanie. But, I think the problem and solution lies with our Media.
      The right have been yelling "Liberal Media" for so long that the Media has tended to swing right to appease the right wing noise machine. Somehow, we need to get the Media to report the truth about all matters rather than just let people from both sides yell at each other. If the Media can just get to the truth, we will end up with a much better informed electorate. An informed electorate can then vote with their head instead of their heart. How this can be done remains to be seen. I, Myself, try to get info from places that try hard to stay mainstream, like McClatchy. In all my 56 years, I have not seen anything like the way the Media has evolved (de-volved?) and it breaks my heart. We now have 5 mega-corporations controlling the media. No more independents. Sad indeed.
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      1. 2/6/2010 10:06 AM Deanie Mills wrote:
        OMG you are absolutely right, Jody.  I get so frustrated when I turn on the news on the hour, even on CNN, and within, say, seven minutes, they've put up talking heads to debate an issue, and half the time, it's somebody like, James Carville on one side and Karl Rove on another, just shouting extreme talking points at one another--not even real debate!  But the truth is that I don't WANT debate that early in the broadcast anyway.  I WANT FACTS!  I WANT NEWS!  I have to hit "mute" and just read the damn crawl!

        Even worse, as Jon Stewart has repeatedly mocked, is the RIDICULOUS tendency to go to twitter or e-mail and call up reader comments.  Oh Jesus.  Yes we've all got opinions but that does not mean that they deserve the megabroadcastphone of television news!!

        I do the same thing you do.  Since I'm a semi-retired writer and work from a home office, I have the luxury of time to go to several different news sources in a given day.  I read a story from several different places, and for the most part, don't even watch television news anymore unless I want to see what's actually being put out there for most people to get their news from, and it is PITIFUL.  Not just in terms of PARTISANSHIP, but in terms of CONTENT.

        And the boneheads who do the news-reading!!!  They're AWFUL.  I wish they would just shut up.  Especially when an event is on-going.  If they would just let the events talk for themselves instead of blathering on over them.

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    • 2/6/2010 1:16 PM Nigel wrote:
      >>>Over on the Blue side of the aisle, we didn't have any lunatic ranters.<<<

      I think part of it is because thinking people can see the the other person's viewpoint and therefore check to make sure that their own position is accurate before saying anything. When I was younger I was a "drown pooftahs at birth" kind of guy. As I have read more and actually had dealings with homosexuals (I still can't bring myself to say gay as I am so old that that the word, to this day, means happy, light hearted, carefree or even brightly coloured), I have come to see more and more how wrong I was in the past and how little I know now. That said, being right IS might. Facts, once proven will advance the cause of reasonableness more than shouting. "What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say" (some American bloke said that) must surely haunt Dubbya and his oily mates.
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      1. 2/6/2010 4:55 PM Deanie Mills wrote:
        I wish being right was might, but in these days of viral e-mails, it seems that all my conservative friends and relatives need is one insinuating photograph and an unattributed narrative chock-full of unverifiable "facts" that have been forwarded hundreds if not thousands of times to make up their minds as to the "truth" of something.  Even in this day of snopes.com, they do not care.  If it is something horrible about Obama, they are predisposed to believe it, no matter how ridiculous, no matter how many facts to the contrary.

        I daresay if the man traveled to Hawaii, camera crew in tow, went to the Honolulu courthouse or wherever the hell his damn birth certificate is stored, had some muckety-up in Hawaiian government open a sealed vault, and demonstrate once and for all that he was most certainly born in Hawaii, they would STILL maintain that the whole thing was faked.

        OTOH, you doooo have a point about Dubya, so I am hoping that critical mass does eventually occur.  It just gets so tiresome in the meantime, and in Dubya's case, life-threatening, I dare say.

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    • 2/7/2010 4:42 AM Nigel wrote:
      >>>but in these days of viral e-mails<<<

      *I* got one on this very subject this morning! Lots of cartoons derogatory to Obama. Unfortunately, you colonials still have not got taking the piss down properly yet. Our cartoonists would have done a better job

      It seems to me that the American public won't give the man time to either cock up or do well. Having voted his ideas in, I would have thought that one should give him a full term to prove his worth or lack of it.
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      1. 2/7/2010 10:44 AM Deanie Mills wrote:
        "It seems to me that the American public won't give the man time to either cock up or do well. Having voted his ideas in, I would have thought that one should give him a full term to prove his worth or lack of it."

        GOOD LORD NIGEL YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!  It is so ridiculous over here that at one popular political website, Talking Points Memo, I saw a funny little aside they posted a couple of weeks after Obama's Inauguration in which they said that, obviously, the man was a complete failure already.  They meant it as a joke, because the website had been supportive of his run for the presidency, but they were making a shrewd point, that for heaven's sake, GIVE THE MAN SOME TIME.

        It took George W. Bush and his reckless buddies the better part of a decade to drive the country into a ditch, to squander a $200 billion surplus and leave a $1.3 trillion deficit, to start two wars, to leave 10 percent unemployment, and all sorts of fun little Gordian snarls for Obama to untangle.  And they were doing post-mortems on his pregnancy by the first 100 days.

        DAYS!!!!



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    • 3/4/2010 2:47 PM Marla wrote:
      Here's the best re-framing I've heard to date: In an interview with the Houston Chronic, former Texas state COP chairman Tom Pauken says that George Bush "might have made a terrific Major League Baseball commissioner, but he was a lousy president of the United States." http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/02/bush-pauken/

      And no, I won't tell your husband, but I think he was right about MA being a wake up call. Now everyone just needs to get a cup of coffee.
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      1. 3/4/2010 8:49 PM Deanie Mills wrote:
        Oh man you hit the very thing I said over and over again--If they had just let the son of a bitch be baseball commissioner, which is all he ever wanted to be in the first place, we'd've never had to suffer through the cataclysmic disaster that was 2000 through 2008.  (Not to mention what the state of Texas had to go through before that with him as governor and since then with his appointee, Rick Perry.) 

        Honestly,  I don't think George W. Bush ever wanted to be president, and I don't think his family ever wanted him to be.  I think they wanted JEB to be, but he didn't get elected governor at the right time, and Dubya did.  And it was the Legacy Train.  Go friggin' figure.  That's the only thing.  That, and that Dubya didn't get to be baseball commissioner.  I've always said that.

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    • 7/12/2010 2:06 AM Carl Blackwood wrote:
      I think that Obama got in a little over his head with some of his claims to be able to make change, unfortunately it is not as easy as he even thought it would be. I think he knew that it would be tuff but, everything that he has proposed seems to be on a snails pace. Hopefully something positive comes up soon.

      Carl Blackwood
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